Joined Oct 20, 2004 Messages 5,147 Reaction score 466 #10 Black shirts are fine for casual evenings and to be avoided during the day
You are pretty unlikely to see some schmuck running around wearing a Sam Hober tie w/ rolled edges, but I am sure some day (if it hasn't already) the people critiqued above will go up to the podium with a grenadine (or perhaps faux grenadine) because they read about it in GQ, perhaps in a full windsor knot
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